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alynrtiedtke
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

AS per subject line, I have a loud ticking/hammering noise coming from what sounds like the cambelt cover area.

It is not the brake vaccuum pump as i think i can hear both the ticking noises at the same time and this one is significantly louder.

Ticking increases with revs until about 1500rpm then always dissapears.

Noise is there regardless if engine is hot or cold.

I have disconnected the aux belt setup and the noise is still there so it is nothing on the drive belt setup causing it.

Car performs as normal, smoke, acceleration, fuel consumption is all normal. Oil and coolant levels are ok.

Any ideas ????
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I recently broke an a6 which had the exact same symptoms for several weeks,owner ignored it(not sure if the noise disappeared after 1500rpm or not though) and this is what happened.



Head was completely written off and also the piston had a huge hole in it,cam was ok as was timing belt.I presume it was a knackered Tappet,I have an s8 in bits at present which has the same noise and that was defo down to a worn out Tappet(valve wasn't returning to the seat properly until Tappet was removed) this happened after a 160mph blast.

If I were you I would stop using it and investigate.

If you can borrow a camera that can be passed down the glow plug hole you may be able to see one of the valves not seating properly when it is meant to be closed,thats how I managed to find the issue with the s8 at least
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Oh not good, is that on an AEL ???? Confused

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this happened after a 160mph blast.


Ironically enough a couple of days before the sound started I had been thrashing the car quite hard, always with a warmed up engine of course.

Oddly though the sound started immediately after the car had been parked for a good 8 hours. It was never apparent before that.

Can these Tappets be replaced or is this a big job ??

So what causes the tapping noise, it cant be the piston hitting the valve ?? Is it the cam lobe smacking the lifter ??

Thanks for the reply. I've not really posted much on this forum but have always been an avid browser.

EDIT: sounds extremely similar to this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eLYZYe7DlQ
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:24 am Reply with quote Back to top

alynrtiedtke wrote:
Oh not good, is that on an AEL ???? Confused

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this happened after a 160mph blast.


Ironically enough a couple of days before the sound started I had been thrashing the car quite hard, always with a warmed up engine of course.

Oddly though the sound started immediately after the car had been parked for a good 8 hours. It was never apparent before that.

Can these <a>Tappets</a> be replaced or is this a big job ??

So what causes the tapping noise, it cant be the piston hitting the valve ?? Is it the cam lobe smacking the lifter ??

Thanks for the reply. I've not really posted much on this forum but have always been an avid browser.

EDIT: sounds extremely similar to this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eLYZYe7DlQ


that engine is an AAT but is identical to an AEL bar the pistons

with the s8 I would say the piston was hitting the valve and helping it back to its seat on every revolution,it was making 1 very loud tap every second or so,I never heard the a6 running as it came to me knackered already.

The Tappets can be replaced and are cheap,probably £8 each I would have thought.Probably an idea to do the full timing belt job on it at the same time if it hasn't been done in the last 50000 miles or so.Certainly not the easiest DIY job as it needs a few special tools and locking of the cam etc,I think there is a guide on here how to do it by 'bladerunner' but the haynes manual gives a good guide to it aswell.If you take your time with it there is no reason you can't make a good job of it.

The chap in the video mentions that it was his timing that had slipped due to the key shearing off,this is a common problem and happened on my s6 last year(while on a track day) luckily I managed to find the issue before It completely let go and trashed the engine.If you do the timing belt make sure you change it anyway,along with the vibration damper(if it hasnt been changed in the last few years).Not a cheap job but once done you ought to have 50000+ miles trouble free as the timing belts/and associated parts seem to be the only thing on these engines that cause major problems.


Just a thought but it may be worth changing the oil and adding some of that slick50 kind of stuff,may be a waste of time but you never know.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

spink wrote:
Probably an idea to do the full timing belt job on it at the same time if it hasn't been done in the last 50000 miles or so.Certainly not the easiest DIY job as it needs a few special tools and locking of the cam etc,I think there is a guide on here how to do it by 'bladerunner' but the haynes manual gives a good guide to it aswell.If you take your time with it there is no reason you can't make a good job of it.

The chap in the video mentions that it was his timing that had slipped due to the key shearing off,this is a common problem and happened on my s6 last year(while on a track day) luckily I managed to find the issue before It completely let go and trashed the engine.If you do the timing belt make sure you change it anyway,along with the vibration damper(if it hasnt been changed in the last few years).Not a cheap job but once done you ought to have 50000+ miles trouble free as the timing belts/and associated parts seem to be the only thing on these engines that cause major problems.


Just a thought but it may be worth changing the oil and adding some of that slick50 kind of stuff,may be a waste of time but you never know.


So my local grease monkey took a look at this today, turns out the cambelt was loose and it was flapping about and hitting the cambelt cover causing the noise. So im pretty lucky it hasnt snapped and totalled the engine.

He's reccomended that I have the belt changed, along with the tensioner. Pump belt done along with the tensioner and idler. I have also opted to have the water pump replaced along with the crank oil seal, oil and filter change and coolant aswell.

He mentioned to service the seal that the oil pump needed to be removed and to remove that the oil pan needed to be dropped, so i need a sump gasket also.

He's not quoted me yet, but its gonna be around the £500 mark i reckon.

Many thanks spink for your replies bud.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:22 am Reply with quote Back to top

that was lucky,make sure you replace all the bits that bladerunner suggests in his thread.And also the vibration damper,infact if you aren't too far away from chesterfield I would get in touch with him and see if he can do it as I doubt there is many people in the world who would do a more thorough job.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:23 am Reply with quote Back to top

spink wrote:
make sure you replace all the bits that bladerunner suggests in his thread.


could you provide a link ??
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:36 am Reply with quote Back to top

this one for a start for the vibration damper plus it has links to other threads,there are more but I have to go out now.

http://www.audifans.net/ftopict-30017.html
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

spink wrote:
this one for a start for the vibration damper plus it has links to other threads,there are more but I have to go out now.

http://www.audifans.net/ftopict-30017.html


Thanks bud, much appreciated.

I will ask my mechanic what the state of that bottom pulley is in.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRqGZJu1qRE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

RustyFIN wrote:
My case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRqGZJu1qRE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


Aha !! This sound was EXACTLY like mine was doing...
 
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