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smokie
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

hi all,

I have a W reg audi cab and can someone help me with a problem with my central locking. When using the button on the key to open or close doors nothing happens, so i have to use key manually to open and close doors, but have to go round both doors and boot with key to open them as i am getting no noise from any of them, so am wondering if all the motors are knackered or could it be a relay that needs changed?
Hope you can help
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

as you aren't getting any noises from anywhere its got to be the pump is shot or it has no power going to it, on top of the fuse box should tell you what fuse and relay is for the central locking. if the hoses had come loose you should hear the pump run for at least 30 secs.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hey Smokey,

I suspect the central locking pump is gone. You have to remove the rear seat and then take the side panel off on the drivers side. Its quiet a job.
The central locking pump is all one unit the relays are built into it.

For the remote control version you have to be careful what you buy on ebay. Revision G of the pump is the one you need.

You may also need to program the unit via VAG-COM unless it came from a Cabriolet.

Other revisions of the pump do work in a basic way and you can find these easily in breakers.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:30 am Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the help, yes i am getting a noise for around 30secs from the rear drivers side before i put key into ignition so will check hoses and pump, will let you know how i get on as am offshore the now and will look at it once am back.

Thanks again

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

if the pumps running then maybe its a leak, maybe this pic can help, but you may need a fault code read on the cenrtal locking ecu, the audi workshop manual does say if the car "is not used for long periods of time the central locking system is only operative after being actuated several times" ??



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ok managed to put the car on a diagnostic machine and it came up with a fault code 01367, which was saying a fault with central locking air pump.
So before i go and strip the inside out i tried all the doors again and found using the key manually on drivers door that the drivers door would shut and the boot but the passenger side would stay open.
So then tried from passenger side and found the passenger side and boot would lock and the drivers side would stay open, but opening from the passenger side the boot would open aswell. And on closer inspection using both doors you can see the buttons trying to go up or down when operating the key from either side so do you think it is still a problem with the pump or just an air leak?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The error code 01367 = Switch on Via CL Pump r Pressure in pneumatic lines too low
- Central locking-pump faulty
– Check pneumatic lines for leaks
– Check central locking pump
– Check all actuating components of central locking and replace if necessary

Check daft things like the hose on the petrol cap lock actuator first.
However on mine I am sure I had similar faults when the wrong pump code was programmed - which is easy to check and change with vag com.
The pump is used in A4 and A3 cars but runs in the opposite direction. Things start to behave oddly when it coded incorrectly.

You need 16 somewhere in the pump code for it to run in the right direction. I use 15002 as a code. You just add the codes up to switch on the bits you want.
1 Rear boot unlock & opened (only some models e.g A4)
2 Flash indicators on activation of alarm 2
4 Security central opening (drivers door only opens not passenger) with ey
8 Anti-theft alarm switched on
16 Cabriolet functionality on (reverse pump direction)
32 Auto lock doors when car goes above 15mph
64 Comfort opening/closing of windows
128 No ultrasonic installed (cabriolet has no ultrasonics)
256 Unknown (rear boot logic with remote A4 ?)
512 Radio control close confirmed with one flash
1024 Anti theft alarm set confirmed by horn beep
2048 US window logic (Power windows do not work once door opened)
4096 Radio control open confirmed with two flashes
8192 Radio remote contro opening/closing activated
16384 No Security central opening (drivers door opening only) with emote


The error codes can be found here along with the pump codes.

http://www.wak-tt.com/tt/tt_docs/cabrioletvag155101-96-11.pdf

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Took door cards off today and found that all hoses was on and in place and nothing wrong with any of the door rods. But what i did find was on the passenger side i could move the rods freely and lock the door and allso with the door open the key would work in both directions.
But on the drivers side i could not lock the door pulling down on the rods like on the passenger side also with the door open the key would not lock the door . but with both doors shut it would lock, could there be a problem with the solinoid on the driers door, also since looking at the doors i cannot now open the petrol flap.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

No, I think thats just to stop you locking the keys in the car by the kids pushing the button down as you get out and then slamming the door while the keys are still in the ignition. You can only lock the drivers door once its closed either with someone in the inside pushing the button down or using the key on the outside.


If the buttons on both sides go up and down at the same time when you try to lock it and then the pump times out on an air leak (error code 01367) then I am 90% confident the pumps running in the wrong direction. If you can get the coding of the pump read you can tell. It takes 10 seconds to recode it.

Easier than taking the side panel off (if you have vag-com).

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

yeah see where your coming from with the kids, using the key on oneside the other door won't lock or open, but everything else will, and visa versa if i use the other door, only thing that has changed tonight is the petrol flap is staying locked, no matter what door i go too Sad
And i don't have vag com, wish i had, just using a friends machine just now but no where as good as vag
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

smokie wrote:
yonly thing that has changed tonight is the petrol flap is staying locked, no matter what door i go too Sad


Is the pump still running? If the pump is running in reverse then if you lock the door the fuel flap opens.

You can manually open the flap from inside the boot either by pushing the pin back manually or uncliping the whole actuator mechanism (which I dont recommend as its a bugger to get back on).

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Pump still runs for around 30 secs, does not matter if i have door locked or open petrol flap is still locked, so i took inner panel off in boot and pulled back pin to open it, think i will have too get into the pump itself as i think there must be a problem with it with low pressure, as everything seems to be getting air, will have to wait till next time am home as i will be off for a month, don't want to leave it in bits while am away.
Apart from that the car is in tip top condition just needing alittle tlc to get it back to its best, so by next June it will be the best looking car in Arbroath Very Happy
Then again thats not hard in this town lol
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:04 am Reply with quote Back to top

Must simply be a leak - that said its a fairly robust tube and hose connections. Maybe the hose that has fallen off as suggested earlier.

The panel is not that bad to take off. Just dont force anything. part of mine was broken by someone when they removed it. They forgot to remove a bolt at the top rear next to the hood cover.

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